Using Guru.com for Our Freelance Business
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Today, we’re going to do our best to answer some questions left by Susan Payton from Sparkplugging’s own Marketing Eggspert blog. She is interested to know how we use Guru.com, as she can tell from our monthly freelance income reports that we get a fair amount of business through that bidding site.
Here’s what Susan had to say:
“Wow, you guys do a lot from Guru! Are you Guru Vendors? I just signed up as one (gulp. $250 is a lot of $$)! I’d like to learn more about how you use Guru to get jobs and beat the cheapies that bid on projects (as I’m sure your readers would too).”
Choosing to be Guru Vendors
To answer her first question, yes, we are at the vendor level on guru. We decided the first time that we signed up (we’ve now renewed for a second year), that we were going to take ourselves seriously as a business, and that was one way we did so. Susan’s right, as the $250 was a bit of a pill to swallow, but we made $10,000 through Guru in our first year, so that was a pretty good return on investment.
Fortunately for us, we were able to afford the enrollment fee at the time. If someone else can’t then it could still be worthwhile to sign up at the basic level. Of course, you’ll be competing with even more freelancers, and a lot of them are probably bidding really, really low because, hey, they didn’t even have enough money to get a vendor account – they’re obviously strapped, and a couple of bucks for an article sounds great.
How We Use Guru.com
It’s probably safe to say that we look at guru.com as sort of a “necessary evil.” I know, that’s a little harsh, but we are plenty annoyed that they take such a big percentage of our pay, in addition to the annual fee. Not only that, but if the client pays with a credit card, the freelancer has to eat the service charge. I still can’t figure out how that’s fair.
On the other hand, it’s been one of the best places for us to go to find new clients. I will admit, however, that when we’re busy, bidding on jobs on guru.com quickly gets pushed to the backburner.
I don’t know that there are any special tricks to how we bid for jobs. Tamara does it more often than I, but each of us tends to bid on jobs we find personally appealing. For example, she’s more interested in ad copy than I am, and I’m more interested in environmental topics than she is. We each have templates created that we use to bid for certain types of jobs. However, we personalize every single one that we send out.
That means that we pay attention to what the potential client has asked about, and we address those issues. This gets mixed in with our usual spiel that says something like, “my bid of $50 for this article represents a very reasonable rate of 0.07 per word.” We bid based on the job description and on what we think we should get paid. Then we usually lower it a bit.
Beating “The Cheapies”
Tamara did an experiment a few months ago in which she bid what she really felt she should get for jobs, and we didn’t get a single bite. So, we do bid lower than we would like. We don’t bid ridiculously low, however. There are no $5 articles for us.
That was not always the case, though. When we first started our business, we were just desperate for clients. Any amount of money coming in was proof that we could do this thing. We did some dirt-cheap projects in the beginning. As we did the projects however, two things happened.
1. We got really sick of selling our time for so little.
2. Our ranking kept improving on guru.com.
Both of these factors played into us getting more money for jobs. First of all, we started asking for it. Secondly, clients began to realize we were worth it. Our client feedback rating averages five stars, and we work to keep it that way. As of today, we are ranked at number 43 in the Writing/Editing/Translation section of Guru.
I suspect that the third thing that helped us along was presenting ourselves as professionals. We have a pretty good profile on Guru, although I suspect it could be better. We also have a link to our Berry-Brewer web site, which we happen to think looks pretty professional.
Any More Questions about Guru.com?
We’re really enjoying posting our freelance income reports each month. We think it’s useful to our readers, and it really gives us another way to be accountable for our work. It’s great fun to watch the numbers from month to month. As it turns out, those are also the posts that seem to spur our readers to ask questions. If you have any more questions about Guru or how we use it, feel free to ask in the comments.



Lorna Doone Brewer is both a writer and an entrepreneur at heart. This is where those two worlds meet. She also blogs at
Tamara Berry used to miss interaction with her daughter. Now she misses interaction with adults. Freelance writing is her happy medium.

Ha ha. Ask and Lorna and Tamara will write about it!
One thing I do on the few jobs I’ve gotten through Guru or Elance (another good site) is if it’s ongoing, make the first month or part payable through their system and subsequent payments direct to you. Saves a little.
Thanks for covering this so quickly! Rock on.
Susan Payton, The Marketing Eggsperts last blog post..Cold Calling is Evil…and a Waste of Time
I do have a question- bear with me here.
Ok, in front of me right now I have a document of about 40 PAGES of freelance writing and editing jobs that I have collected over the past couple months- since, let’s say, end of july. Forty pages of freelance jobs.
Some I’ve applied for, and others I just copied and pasted as a kind of experiment (I always get the question “Are there really jobs out there?”)
S I guess my question is, if writers can find 40 pages of freelance jobs to apply for (and these are ONLY ones I like- I didn’t collect, say, financial writing jobs, tech writing jobs), then why bother with Elance and etc, when these are free to apply for.
Possible answers (some I agree with- keep in mind that I use elance once in a great while):
1. Thins the herd. One client said she got 212 responses to a job on Online Writing Jobs
2. Don’t know where to find the jobs above.
3. Cause it works.
4. Because it’s too much of a gamble of your time- you know you’ll get Guru jobs.
Thanks guys. Great discussion, ongoing discussion in the freelance writers world.
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Allena -
I think your list of possible answers is spot on. Every single one of those is a contributing reason to our extensive use of Guru.
I would only add that we also use it as a starting point with many of our clients. Once we finish the initial job, we typically move on to a more direct relationship. There is incredible value in that, as well.
Would you suggest using Guru for a beginner like myself…if I can’t afford to be a Vendor? Or would it be more worthwhile to spend my time finding jobs elsewhere? Thanks for your time! Your blogs are always informative and helpful!
@Sarah - We haven’t tried it without being a vendor, so I’m not sure. If you’re just looking for *anything*, that might work. Still there are a lot of other great places to look like Freelance Writing Jobs and The Golden Pencil. Also, Craigslist.org is a decent place to look for gigs.
Best of luck to you!
Guru practices unethical behavior. They are using a form of coercive selling when they require you to use their feedback payment system on top of the membership fee. That is unethical and against banking and finance law. They also break employer law by allowing employers the ability to post negative remarks on an employee. The law does not allow employees to make negative comments when someone calls for a referral. Guru is facilitating unethical behavior.
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@Drew - That’s really interesting. I know that some of those practices are incredibly annoying, but I didn’t think they were actually illegal as well.
Yes, they are totally illegal. Ebay tried to start forcing people to only use Paypal but had to back off it. It goes hand and hand with anti-trust monopoly law. Coercive selling is an extension of this ethic. Coercive selling means the same company is trying to force people to buy several products. A monopoly anti-trust is the same thing, just different companies working together to force people no choice. I am working on a new service that will be 10 times better for freelancers, especially writers, that actually offers real value and doesn’t base its whole system on some competitive industrial age mentality of scarcity.
@Drew - Thanks for your thoughts. We’ll be watching for your new service to see how it compares.
Thanks so much for sharing this info. I am doing some research on Guru.com and this was very helpful.
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